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I've finally created this portal. If anyone wishes to help/suggest/advise, you may do so by starting a new conversation on this discussion page or at my talk page. aJCfreak yAkBaK 15:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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Wouldn't Image:Jars of Clay.jpg make a better choice for a featured picture of Jars of Clay? --Mschel 19:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. Saw this only now. Yes, will change it. :) Could've done it yourself. After all, isn't this Wikipedia?! Thanks. aJCfreak yAk 12:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I could have changed it myself, but I thought you had probably seen it and had some reason for not choosing it. --Mschel 14:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Anyways, it's done now. I've asked around for people to upload some completely-free images. Let's see. Please check/add/edit the other sections too. Thanks, dude. You're awesome. aJCfreak yAk 15:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Shortcuts

Hey. Been trying to figure out a suitable shortcut(s) for this portal. But apparently, we do not have many choices. The following are already taken up:

• WP:CCM WikiProject CCM
• WP:CHEM WikiProject Chemistry
• WP:C Wikipedia Copyrights
• WP:CH Wikipedia Cheatsheet
• WP:CHRIST WikiProject Christianity, which also has WP:X
• WP:CM WikiProject Classical music

Few that are available are:

• WP:CHR (Would be too confusing!)
• WP:XM (This might turn out to be our best bet!)

Any ideas?! aJCfreak yAk 16:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Silly me. Have created P:CM as a shortcut to this portal. Should we add any more? aJCfreak yAk 17:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

What do you think of WP:CMP (Christian music portal)? --Mschel 19:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I think we'll add that as well. We can use WP:CMP since this is a portal on WP; we'll also use P:CM since this is the Christian music portal. Until others start getting involved with the project and more ideas crop up, I guess we'll stick with this. Thanks, Mark! aJCfreak yAk 09:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

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Sections

Do we need to add more sections to the Portal? Also, do we need to remove any existing sections? I agree that the portal still needs a lot of work; but if we could try and decide whether we need more/less sections, it'd make the job easier. :) aJCfreak yAk 09:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

What about a category called "Christian Bands"? Looking for new bands, it's tough to look through the lists of albums and composers. :p --Josso000 (talk) 18:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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Colours

Hi all! Just wondering what colours would fit. I've been trying to work with a few. I think the current combination for the title bar is cool. The border, textbox might need changing. Please, change it if something better pops up in your minds. You may use Web colors, Wikipedia talk:Colours and List of colors as references. Thanks! aJCfreak yAk 14:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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Attention for Christian music article

I'm assuming the Christian music article would be a major article for this portal. It currently is in need of major attention and a rewrite. I would encourage anyone with expertise in the subject to help. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 17:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)  Done - rewrite completed. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProjects

I've noticed that there are several independent WikiProjects related to Christian music all with very small memberships (or at least only a few active participants). I would like to propose to the WikiProject the possible merger of these projects into one WikiProject (probably entitled Christian music WikiProject with task forces for each genre (Contemporary Christian music, Southern Gospel, urban contemporary gospel, etc.). The other option is to make Christian music as a whole a task force under the Christianity Wikiproject. Thoughts? Absolon S. Kent (talk) 19:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The creation of a single Christian Music Wikiproject with various genres as subordinate task forces makes perfect sense to me. -- PEPSI2786^talk 01:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Pepsi. Create a single Christian Music WikiProject with task forces for several genres, as outlined in the first option above by Absolon. Royalbroil 04:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC) (WikiProject Contemporary Christian Music)

I agree. A single wikiproject for Christian music would be nice. But I think the place for this discussion would be here with appropriate links to the discussion placed on the discussion pages of the other smaller wikiprojects. aJCfreak yAk 08:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Note: I decided to open the discussion here on the portal because this would affect several genres of Christian music (including contemporary Christian). Absolon S. Kent (talk) 18:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was placed in an appropriate place, since there is no parent WikiProject for all Christian music, right? Royalbroil 20:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that this is the right place. Note to Ajcfreak: As I understand it we are considering not only Jars of Clay but also Josquin des Prez; not only Matt Redman but also Messiaen. In this context, whenever you think of one, think also of the other.) Feline Hymnic (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, people. I agree with the above comments. The only reason I suggested moving the discussion was because I created this portal and it hasn't seen much activity in the past six months. (my fault entirely - I've not been updating it at all!) However, since there seems to be some sortofa consensus among editors, it's fine by me! :) aJCfreak yAk 09:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be a wonderful idea. It would centalize everything and make finding information easier for the readers as well. I have long thought that a merger would fix this problem. Count me in! Junebug52 13:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks like we have a consensus from the major WikiProject editors and maintainers. I took information and formats from the four main pages to start the project. It's located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian music. I haven't done categories and Task Force Pages yet because I figured there would be discussion needed. Please feel free to edit what's been done as you all see fit. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Apparently none of the members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian Metal gave their opinions on this; every one has been busy during the past weeks. Anyway, I think this Project merge might be a good thing, hoping that we could all help editing each others' articles. --Azure Shrieker (talk) 20:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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Genre Assignment

Since there are editors for various genres of Christian music, might I suggest that each editor take the genre that they have knowledge of and act as a lead editor for that genre. Then at some point we can change genres at the request of said editor and add and check each others work to make sure that we are not leaving factors out. This way we are not double working and running over each others edits which could lead us into an edit wars at some point. Does anyone have any input about this suggestion? Junebug52 05:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I will be happy to start with Christian country music since that is an article I started and have knowledge of the artists involved. Junebug52 05:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. However, I'm sure that most of the editors currently working on the several sub-genres have more knowledge and experience. So I'll stand back and watch, if ya don't mind. aJCfreak yAk 09:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

This discussion should be happening at the new WikiProject talk page, so I replied there. Royalbroil 05:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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Christianity related portals

I am currently trying to get together some lists of articles relevant to each Christianity-related portal which could be used, at least potentially, to help bring all the extant portals up to Featured Portal status. The current, admittedly incomplete, list of articles, images, etc., relevant to each portal can be found at User:John Carter/Christianity portals. I also think that, at least in theory, we would probably best use a single article only in a single portal, and that we probably have enough articles to do that, although there might be a few exceptions. I would welcome input from anyone on the associated talk page regarding which articles and other materials they would like to see associated with which portal(s), any suggestions for additional portals or changes to existing portals, etc. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

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reliable sources and list entries

An editor who has done some excellent research in creating the list of Christian hardcore bands seems to be of the opinion that a phrase in a single album review that loosely associates a band with a related genre is sufficient to adding that band or artist to this list. Some other editors feel that the music should be representative of the style at the time and that several articles, particularly of contested artists, should be provided.

Granted, most lists don't even have a single reference for the entries, so this article is outstanding. Could we have a few people step in on the article to discuss? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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We Love Christian Music Awards

The site is http://www.theweloveawards.com/, and it appears to be some sort of CCM version of the Peoples Choice Awards. Is it notable? The reason I ask is that it keeps getting added to the Group 1 Crew, Audio Adrenaline and other articles by 200.113.194.3 who never explains edits or talks about them. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

The WLA are sponsored by the largest christian music site out there, the artists are recognizing and appearing in it. I'd agree that it may be worth waiting a year, until they happen again to make sure they're sticking around. On the other hand, the awards are funded and being spread, which is unlike many other online awards. I'd like to hear some more input. Glman99 ??? (talk) 00:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: Also, the awards commitee has members from several large recording studios, which (IMO) gives it more credibility. http://http://www.theweloveawards.com/about.php. Glman99 ??? (talk) 01:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure that New Release Tuesday is the largest music site. Jesus Freak Hideout may be the largest, but I don't have any statistics. Do you?

However, The question isn't who is sponsoring it, but rather whether it is notable or not? There's not article on it, so it doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. How about we start adding album of the year entries from the "under the radar" podcast, or some Christian radio countdown as well? We have to remain neutral and objective about these sorts of things. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

NRT has accounts, JFH does not, JFH is more of a review site, unlike NRT. Where are the rules saying it must have an article to be notable (not fussing, asking, I want to learn) This has record company involvement, artist involvement, etc. This differs from any small podcast handing out papers. Glman99 ??? (talk) 01:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Both have allow the public to have accounts for commenting, but that doesn't really apply to size. I was looking at the number of reviews. Since NRT is an extension of EMI Christian music, it only lists and "reviews" artists on those labels, while JFH lists and reviews any artists it considers Christian.

WP:N, and its associated articles, are used to determine inclusion on Wikipedia and that notability usually confers whether it can be used for other purposes. That an award doesn't have an article doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't include it, but you would have to find a good reason to do so. Being an extension of a music label is another good reason not to. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure NRT is run by EMI, I know for a fact that it features artists outside of EMI. Also, JFH does not have accounts for posting, it uses facebook, it doesn't have a newsletter, etc. I honestly can't see any real reason to leave the WLA out, it is well produced, sponsered by credible sources, is supported by artists, etc. The fact that the artists recognize it should make it notable in itself. Glman99 ??? (talk) 02:54, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I have to say that I do not believe these awards meet the level of notability. I ran into this with the Christian Music Hall of Fame. They had two awards shows but now they are defunct and there is not even a web page to substantiate the claims of the winners. Now we have artists pages that have allowed these awards to be entered and there is not even a web site that confirms the awards or the winners. So I believe the original suggestion of waiting to see how long they stay around would be a wise move.--Canyouhearmenow 04:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Partnership with EMI labels: http://www.newreleasetuesday.com/nrtmobile.php but I'm not entirely sure that it is an EMI company. I won't argue the point, but I have yet to see any non-EMI artists listed, although VOTA may be enough proof for me.

One of the arguments at RS against JFH is that they do not clearly indicate when an album review is made by staff or forum members. See http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/forum2012/forum/default.asp . It uses the Facebook API, as do many smart forums, for posting comments on reviews, but there are other ways. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree on face, however there is no mention of how the awards are arrived at. There are organizations out there like the CGMA, ICGMA, ICM and various others that give out these awards but they are really not notable awards. Whereas you have organizations like the Artists Music Guild who does the Heritage Awards and they display how their awards are arrived at. They also have artists who are promoting winning the Heritage Awards. Those are notable. I fail to see where these awards are notable simply because artists acknowledge they have received one? Do we really feel that rises to the level of notability? --Canyouhearmenow 04:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I did some research on this organization and the We Love Awards award is given by NRT. They are not a part of EMI but they do have some committee members who work for EMI. These awards are much like other awards such as the Telly Award in which all you need to do is enter and there can be several winners in any given category. It just takes someone to like your stuff. They give the awards in an effort to bring more exposure to the artist or project. They do not go through a thorough screening process such as the Grammys or Emmys. The certainly do not meet up to the level of the Dove Awards or the Heritage Awards. It states clearly on their page that anyone can nominate and even write in a candidate. So, I have not changed my position. I feel that these awards do not meet notability standards to warrant inclusion. Canyouhearmenow 13:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with this, the nomiations were made by 20 member of the comittee. There may only be one winner, the awards are awards, not to simply bring exposure to a project. http://www.theweloveawards.com/about.php, Again, I say we wait and see if they're around next year. Glman99 ??? (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

What sort of coverage did these awards get in mainstream media? Did Jesus Freak Hideout cover the awards ceremony and list all the winners? Did CCM Magazine discuss it? What about a mainstream source? We're not just talking about some side-story that talks about its existence, but in-depth coverage, the sort you see for other Christian music awards like the Doves, the Shai Awards (in Canada, which started out as non-notable, but over the past few years have become notable). If you can show that sort of coverage, then we should reconsider. Until that sort of coverage exists, it's trivial. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:32, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

I am in total agreement! Canyouhearmenow 19:39, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Could this be a case of Wikipedia:Too soon? Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:04, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Too soon to me. Royalbroil 06:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

That article is for the creation of articles, not the inclusion of awards, but it does speak to notability. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:42, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

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